Who cares about steroids?

Discussion in 'Anything and Everything about dietary supplements' started by BIZ, Sep 19, 2004.

  1. BIZ

    BIZ New Member

    Just curious who out there really cares about this issue considering they have been illegal for a long time and will not likely be made legal unless the IFBB takes over Congress.
  2. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah! Joe Weider for President. Then he can appoint Ben head of the FDA! [​IMG]
  3. Bryan Haycock

    Bryan Haycock Administrator Staff Member

    Just a few comments (off the record).

    Steroids, or rather, steroid hormones, are important to anyone insterested in growing more muscle than they have today. They are also important to anyone who doesn't want to lose any more muscle than they have to as they age (e.g. HRT).

    The illegal use of AAS is only one aspect of steroid hormones. It is a mistake to put every testosterone issue under illegal use of AAS.

    That's just my personal take on the issue. I personally find the mechanism of AAS and muscle tissue fascinating. I also love the look that they provide those who choose to use them chronically. I've always been a fan of HUGE over gracefull. I look forward to the oportunity to keep my testosterone levels in the "high-normal" range as I hit andropause as well.
  4. EctoSquat

    EctoSquat New Member


    That man wasted two years of my life...
  5. xahrx

    xahrx New Member

    You see, I do think there is such a thing as too big. It's when the size of a muscle itself throws off a guy's proportion because the muscle just looks too dang big on him, period. I think the guys in the golden age got it right. Schwartzanegger looked great, Columbu too. There was a balance to the approach, not just a bigger is better approach. Though those huge muscles are impressive they don't seem as 'right' as a well balanced, well proportioned, but still much more massive than average look.
  6. MrNasty

    MrNasty New Member

    Illegal or legal, it's not a concern for me. I enjoy reading, learning, and discussing the issues. AAS applications and capabilities, as bryan said, are facinating, IMO. Although I do not know the true mechanics behind AAS use, I know the basics and have tried them in the past. The more I learn, the better I understand; and hopefully on day, after some schooling perhaps, I will understand the mechanics as well.

    A little RANT:
    One thing that always erks me, is the people who have no personal AAS experience, yet feel its their duty to preach on the issue.
  7. BoSox

    BoSox New Member

    oh, so everyone should use illegal steroids before having an opinion on them? I see...
  8. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    Yes, better not let the doctors know about this, or they cannot prescribe androgens unless they have used them..
  9. MrNasty

    MrNasty New Member

    Actually yes, I dont feel people should speak/preach about issues they know nothing about.

    In the case of a doctor, it's different. This is their profession. They have spent extensive time studying and learning about androgens, bla bla bla. This is their life. They are very qualified to speak/preach on this issue.

    In the case of the average joe, he or she simply reiterates what has been told to them, probably by someone just like them. These people usually have very little knowledge concerning the issue. They only know what they hear.
  10. Baoh

    Baoh New Member

    I care about them.

    What saddens me is when people talk about them, or "preach" about them, but have failed to arm themselves with extensive knowledge of the subject. I don't think using them is a prerequisite.
  11. MrNasty

    MrNasty New Member

    Agreed. It just bothers me to see people talk down on the subject given they have no real expeience with it.
  12. HA. I know several physicians that know nothing of the matter. Please, do not use a general term--such as 'doctor'--to specify a specialist.

    The study of the adaptive nature of the musculoskeletal system has been 'my life' for the past two years. Does this qualify me?

    [​IMG] Many 'doctors' fall asleep at the wheel.
  13. I have to agree with BIZ, I personally couldn't care the less if they are legal or illegal. My dander only gets raised when people start talk of how menacing they are and how such a burden on society they have become, talk about skewed perspective. There are far worse substances in use that have far greater potential for harm.
  14. MrNasty

    MrNasty New Member

    Like Alcohol, & its legal. HA, go figure...
  15. MrNasty

    MrNasty New Member

    First I feel sorry for you. You should should find a new doctor.


    Secondly, the issue was not about qualified or non qualified individuals. It is about idoits - idiots who chose to preach about things, in general - AAS being one issue, they know nothing about.

    I dont know why you guys must argue with me, I know all of you agree to some degree. There is nothing worse or more annoying than the people I speak of.
  16. budec

    budec New Member

    I love the 'cut' look to. Not super huge mutant muscles, but "more" then average with a low body fat. abs, pecks and biceps :) "frat boy" look :lol:

    What is andropause?
  17. The one thing that bothers me about steroids is the way it raises the standard of everyone into bodybuilding. This isn't the main reason that I work out (to compare with other people) and probably shouldn't bother me too much, but I'll admit that it's nice to walk into a gym or a room and be the most muscular person there. With all the guys juicing these days it is impossible to compete naturally. I like the respect that a person gets when someone not into weight training looks at you and for a split second wishes they looked like you. I also like the fact that the bigger you are, the less likely someone is to argue or confront you. With all the people on steroids these days, naturally trained people don't seem quite so big in comparison. I wonder what it would be like w/out AAS. I'd probably be one of the biggest people at my gym. Then again I may end up using AAS one day and then I'd have nothing to complain about. Other than what I mentioned above I have no complaints about them and feel that they've been blown way out of proportion by society and can be safely and effectively used.
  18. Baoh

    Baoh New Member

    I kind of agree with this.

    I think it's really an issue of ego frailty, though, when you boil it down.

    When I was primarily concerned with Bodybuilding, years ago, feeling like my body was woefully inadequate, relative to other Bodybuilders, was something I considered important.
    However, upon redirecting my energies more towards strength and power production, I find I am bothered much less.

    It's not so much jealousy or envy. It's mainly a matter of working just as hard (or harder) than those around you, yet receiving far less for your monumental efforts. Been there. Many times. The simple reality of it is this: Life isn't fair. The genetic lottery has its winners and its losers, and sometimes, I have no choice but to LOSE. Not always, and not in everything. I have my own blessings, physical and otherwise. Still, there are things others will be better than me at doing and achieving. That's just how it is, and when I embraced this, the pain of feeling inadequate lessened considerably.

    Mind you, such pain is still a significant driving force for me, but it isn't the primary one anymore.

    There's nothing wrong with feeling left behind by others. If you let it paralyze your thoughts, though, it becomes, IMO, a spiritual poison.

    That's my perception of it, anyway.
  19. xahrx

    xahrx New Member

    I agree. The problem is too many people listen to D.A.R.E. reps and think they know everything there is to know about drugs. I was raised by D.A.R.E. I helped with security for their get togethers at a local beach when iwas 18-19. Got into college and actually ended up having to do research to back up my opinions and defend them with actual facts. Things changed drastically. You learn about all the selective quoting of studies done by antidrug organizations, the methodological errors that many if not all studies used to justifiy prohibition are riddled with. It's an eye openner, no doubt about it.
  20. Baoh

    Baoh New Member

    Steroids are delicious.

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