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(liegelord @ Mar. 17 2006,18:22)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">The only evidence I have is personal experience with olympic lifters, powerlifters and bodybuilders. High school and college football is practically synonymous with juice (there is a 17 year old here front squatting 450). I know competitive lifters, but no, that doesn't mean they are all juicing.</div>
So your taking your personal experience at high school and comparing it to powerlifting. What money can somebody make by getting better at football, and what can they gain from being a powerlifter?.
But I also know people who have walked into the gym and benched 440+ with no training.
Some people are just strong.
There are some lifters who have made WPO level in the US with no drug use. They use now, but thats a differnet story.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But it is naive to think the top guys are not juicing.</div>
its also niave to assume that they all are using.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">The olympics test also, was Ben Johnson the only using or just the only one who got caught and hung out to dry?</div>
SO if one person uses, all use? Of course not.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">And no I was not implying you need to be on juice to do more than one set of a lift. What I meant was that guys who train at a very high volume and frequency are probably juicing.</div>
Great, im probably juicing.
(is 3x weekly, ~10work sets per day on a high volume week 'high volume and frequency'?.. thats just bench.) but I have been told that before.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> And, I was not making a judgment of right or wrong about using juice either.</div>Didn't say you were
Im also not saying that people are not juicing. But assumption is the mother of all f**kups.