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My thighs ballooned out over an inch each after Korte's program. Great for lower body, but not so great for upper body imo, I won't do it again, there needs to be more than just bench pressing for upper body.
TunnelRat's Korte Program
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(scientific muscle @ Oct. 15 2007,18:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">My thighs ballooned out over an inch each after Korte's program. Great for lower body, but not so great for upper body imo, I won't do it again, there needs to be more than just bench pressing for upper body.</div>
Yup, my thighs have grown, too (though my chest has shown no improvement).
I won't do this program again, either. It is a killer workout, but I want more upper body development than this offers.
Now that the heavy volume phase is over, I've been adding in a coupla sets of rows after each workout.
(scientific muscle @ Oct. 15 2007,18:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">My thighs ballooned out over an inch each after Korte's program. Great for lower body, but not so great for upper body imo, I won't do it again, there needs to be more than just bench pressing for upper body.</div>
Yup, my thighs have grown, too (though my chest has shown no improvement).
I won't do this program again, either. It is a killer workout, but I want more upper body development than this offers.
Now that the heavy volume phase is over, I've been adding in a coupla sets of rows after each workout.
Heavy deads are hard on your entire core/back/traps - at least, they are for me. If I do heavy deads and nothing else, I get sore pretty much all over the next day. I agree, though, that ancillary work other than bench for upper body would be a good thing for muscular development but not necessarily if you just want to get better at the three powerlifting lifts.
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(Lol @ Oct. 15 2007,21:41)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">but not necessarily if you just want to get better at the three powerlifting lifts.</div>
To be fair to Stephan Korte, that is exactly why I tried to follow his program -- I wanted to improve my deads, squats, and bench. So far, it seems to have worked very well toward meeting those goals.
(Lol @ Oct. 15 2007,21:41)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">but not necessarily if you just want to get better at the three powerlifting lifts.</div>
To be fair to Stephan Korte, that is exactly why I tried to follow his program -- I wanted to improve my deads, squats, and bench. So far, it seems to have worked very well toward meeting those goals.
TunnelRat
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Wednesday, October 17
Squat 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 95 X 3, 105 X 1, 115 X 1, 125 x 1 x 2
Deads 195 x 3 x 3
I was done so quickly that I threw in a set of 20 Max-Stim Lying Dumbbell Rows and a set of 20 Lying Rear Delt Dumbbell Rows (I do these lying on a bench; I figure my lower back gets plenty of work already with the squats and deads).
Then I did a coupla sets on the ab machine and ran 12 minutes of HIIT laps. Even so, I was out of there in less than an hour.
The 125 lb bench equals a previous PB. Friday I'll shoot for a double my body weight deadlift of 275 lbs.
Squat 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 95 X 3, 105 X 1, 115 X 1, 125 x 1 x 2
Deads 195 x 3 x 3
I was done so quickly that I threw in a set of 20 Max-Stim Lying Dumbbell Rows and a set of 20 Lying Rear Delt Dumbbell Rows (I do these lying on a bench; I figure my lower back gets plenty of work already with the squats and deads).
Then I did a coupla sets on the ab machine and ran 12 minutes of HIIT laps. Even so, I was out of there in less than an hour.
The 125 lb bench equals a previous PB. Friday I'll shoot for a double my body weight deadlift of 275 lbs.
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(scientific muscle @ Oct. 15 2007,18:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">My thighs ballooned out over an inch each after Korte's program. Great for lower body, but not so great for upper body imo, I won't do it again, there needs to be more than just bench pressing for upper body.</div>
Those results are great. I wonder what growth you could have in your upper body if you changed the routine.
(scientific muscle @ Oct. 15 2007,18:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">My thighs ballooned out over an inch each after Korte's program. Great for lower body, but not so great for upper body imo, I won't do it again, there needs to be more than just bench pressing for upper body.</div>
Those results are great. I wonder what growth you could have in your upper body if you changed the routine.
TunnelRat
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Friday, October 19
Squat 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 90 x 4 x 5
Deads 185 x 3, 205 x 1, 225 x 1, 265 PB x 1, 275 x 1 X 2 -- PB...!
Double my body weight personal best! Yeeee haw!
Of course, to be fair, I don't weigh all that much. I understand that many of you guys can bench (or curl...!) 275 lbs, but I'm pretty happy with it.
Squat 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 90 x 4 x 5
Deads 185 x 3, 205 x 1, 225 x 1, 265 PB x 1, 275 x 1 X 2 -- PB...!
Double my body weight personal best! Yeeee haw!
Of course, to be fair, I don't weigh all that much. I understand that many of you guys can bench (or curl...!) 275 lbs, but I'm pretty happy with it.
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(Lol @ Oct. 08 2007,21:16)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Hey, if your projected max for deads is 325lb and yet you are hitting a 2RM PR on your first session of Phase II, that would imply that you are intending to add around 60lb to your 1RM deadlift in this cycle. I guess it's doable if you are quite new to deadlifting but it will be an impressive result if you get it nonetheless.</div>
I must confess that when I did 275 lbs today, I began to have the realization that my deads are starting to get heavy. It took a lot more work to put up 275 than last week's 260. I'm scheduled for 295 next week, and I'll give it a shot, but my confidence begins to wane.
I surely hope Korte knows what he is doing. I am indeed quite new to deadlifting, so perhaps there's hope for me.
(Lol @ Oct. 08 2007,21:16)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Hey, if your projected max for deads is 325lb and yet you are hitting a 2RM PR on your first session of Phase II, that would imply that you are intending to add around 60lb to your 1RM deadlift in this cycle. I guess it's doable if you are quite new to deadlifting but it will be an impressive result if you get it nonetheless.</div>
I must confess that when I did 275 lbs today, I began to have the realization that my deads are starting to get heavy. It took a lot more work to put up 275 than last week's 260. I'm scheduled for 295 next week, and I'll give it a shot, but my confidence begins to wane.
I surely hope Korte knows what he is doing. I am indeed quite new to deadlifting, so perhaps there's hope for me.
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(TunnelRat @ Oct. 19 2007,15:21)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">...275 lbs, but I'm pretty happy with it.</div>
you should be. deadlifting double your bodyweight is a benchmark. I only hope to reach it.
(TunnelRat @ Oct. 19 2007,15:21)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">...275 lbs, but I'm pretty happy with it.</div>
you should be. deadlifting double your bodyweight is a benchmark. I only hope to reach it.
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Monday, October 22
Squat 95 X 3, 135 X 3, 155 X 1, 175 X 1, 185 X 1, 205 X 1, 220 X 1 X 1 PB
Bench [no bench today...]
Deads 195 X 3 X 3
I didn't do any bench presses today. My shoulders have been sore all weekend long, and I thought I'd give them a rest before shooting for another personal best on Wednesday.
PB on my squats! Hooooo hah!
I was finished in a little over a half an hour (skipping my bench presses saved a lot of time...), so I did some rows, machine abs, and 13 minutes of Tabata laps.
Squat 95 X 3, 135 X 3, 155 X 1, 175 X 1, 185 X 1, 205 X 1, 220 X 1 X 1 PB
Bench [no bench today...]
Deads 195 X 3 X 3
I didn't do any bench presses today. My shoulders have been sore all weekend long, and I thought I'd give them a rest before shooting for another personal best on Wednesday.
PB on my squats! Hooooo hah!
I was finished in a little over a half an hour (skipping my bench presses saved a lot of time...), so I did some rows, machine abs, and 13 minutes of Tabata laps.
TunnelRat
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(colby2152 @ Oct. 22 2007,16:23)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Your legs are going to be be very sore!
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Wednesday, October 24
Actually, for whatever reason, what is sore is my right shoulder. I didn't do any bench presses on Monday because my shoulder hurt and I hoped to rest it. Heck, I've been having trouble just getting my coat on...!
Today, however, was Bench Press Max Day, and though I tried my best, I didn't do well. I was stiff and sore, so I tried several warm up sets with an empty bar. Then I began doing a few reps, loading 20 lbs or so at a time: 65, 85, 95, 115, etc.
When I got to 135 lbs -- today's goal -- I wasn't able to put it up. Rather than exhaust myself, I tried unloading the bar to the 125 lbs I had put up last week. I couldn't lift it. I couldn't even do 120 lbs. Eventually I had to settle for 115 lbs.
Squats 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 65 x 5 x 2, 85 x 3, 95 x 3, 115 x 3, 135 (missed), 125 (missed), 120 (missed), 115 x 1...
Deads 195 x 3 x 3
Thus I finally got my first failure. I don't think it had to do so much with a lack of strength as it did with the discomfort I am having in my shoulder. Later, I tried to do some rows and some rear delt raises. I had difficulty with both exercises, not being able to bring my upper arm up to parallel.
So, anyhow, I don't know what I've done, but I'm going to try to put some ice on that shoulder to see if it helps.
(colby2152 @ Oct. 22 2007,16:23)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Your legs are going to be be very sore!
Wednesday, October 24
Actually, for whatever reason, what is sore is my right shoulder. I didn't do any bench presses on Monday because my shoulder hurt and I hoped to rest it. Heck, I've been having trouble just getting my coat on...!
Today, however, was Bench Press Max Day, and though I tried my best, I didn't do well. I was stiff and sore, so I tried several warm up sets with an empty bar. Then I began doing a few reps, loading 20 lbs or so at a time: 65, 85, 95, 115, etc.
When I got to 135 lbs -- today's goal -- I wasn't able to put it up. Rather than exhaust myself, I tried unloading the bar to the 125 lbs I had put up last week. I couldn't lift it. I couldn't even do 120 lbs. Eventually I had to settle for 115 lbs.
Squats 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 65 x 5 x 2, 85 x 3, 95 x 3, 115 x 3, 135 (missed), 125 (missed), 120 (missed), 115 x 1...
Deads 195 x 3 x 3
Thus I finally got my first failure. I don't think it had to do so much with a lack of strength as it did with the discomfort I am having in my shoulder. Later, I tried to do some rows and some rear delt raises. I had difficulty with both exercises, not being able to bring my upper arm up to parallel.
So, anyhow, I don't know what I've done, but I'm going to try to put some ice on that shoulder to see if it helps.
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Regarding that 295 lb. deadlift you've got coming up , you've already pulled 275 - so it's only 10 more lbs each hand - you can do it , there is a definite mental factor in big lifts , you can just as easily self talk your way into a failed attempt as a good pull. You've been doing everything right , by now form is locked in , you've found your groove , you've been faithfully following a great program - the ONLY thing standing between you and that 295 pull is doubtfull self talk. You ARE going to do it - YOU ARE TUNNELRAT ...LET US HEAR YOU ROAR!!!
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(RUSS @ Oct. 24 2007,16:50)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Regarding that 295 lb. deadlift you've got coming up , you've already pulled 275 - so it's only 10 more lbs each hand - you can do it , there is a definite mental factor in big lifts , you can just as easily self talk your way into a failed attempt as a good pull. You've been doing everything right , by now form is locked in , you've found your groove , you've been faithfully following a great program - the ONLY thing standing between you and that 295 pull is doubtfull self talk. You ARE going to do it - YOU ARE TUNNELRAT ...LET US HEAR YOU ROAR!!! </div>
Thank you, Russ. I definitely kept your words in mind as I did my deads today. I even went a bit further to remind myself that it's only 10 more lbs each leg!
Friday, October 26
Squat 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 85 x 4 x 2, 90 x 4 x 3 (my shoulder still hurts...)
Deads 185 x 3, 205 x 2, 225 x 2, 245 x 1, 265 x 1, 285 x 1 PB, 295 x 1 PB, 300 x 1 -- PB...!
Dag! I'm only now beginning to understand what you guys have been saying about deadlifts. To lift that 300 lbs took a lot of work. My legs were shaking, but the bar went up. And then I did -- I actually roared...!
(RUSS @ Oct. 24 2007,16:50)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Regarding that 295 lb. deadlift you've got coming up , you've already pulled 275 - so it's only 10 more lbs each hand - you can do it , there is a definite mental factor in big lifts , you can just as easily self talk your way into a failed attempt as a good pull. You've been doing everything right , by now form is locked in , you've found your groove , you've been faithfully following a great program - the ONLY thing standing between you and that 295 pull is doubtfull self talk. You ARE going to do it - YOU ARE TUNNELRAT ...LET US HEAR YOU ROAR!!! </div>
Thank you, Russ. I definitely kept your words in mind as I did my deads today. I even went a bit further to remind myself that it's only 10 more lbs each leg!
Friday, October 26
Squat 155 x 3 x 3
Bench 85 x 4 x 2, 90 x 4 x 3 (my shoulder still hurts...)
Deads 185 x 3, 205 x 2, 225 x 2, 245 x 1, 265 x 1, 285 x 1 PB, 295 x 1 PB, 300 x 1 -- PB...!
Dag! I'm only now beginning to understand what you guys have been saying about deadlifts. To lift that 300 lbs took a lot of work. My legs were shaking, but the bar went up. And then I did -- I actually roared...!
scientific muscle
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For me, once the deadlift gets over 300 pounds, the pressure becomes very intense. It almost doesn't matter if I am pulling 305 or 375, the pressure just feels "MAX" on the whole body...my trapezius, lower back, hamstrings and forearms just feel trashed afterward.
Great Lift!
Great Lift!
TunnelRat
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(Lol @ Oct. 26 2007,19:17)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">That's awesome TunnelRat. All your blood, sweat and hard work has paid off. It's such a great feeling getting a new record in the deadlift, probably more so than any other lift. Hope you have a good way to celebrate: a big tub of icecream sounds good to me.
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Thanky kindly, sir! At your word I did indeed indulge in a large bowl of ice cream (fat-free, alas...). It really hit the spot -- no wonder you're an expert!
Monday, October 29
Squat 95 X 3, 135 X 3, 155 X 3, 175 X 1, 185 X 1, 205 X 1, 225 X 1 X 2 PB, 230 ... missed! 230 X 1 PB.
Bench 85 x 4 x 2, 90 x 4 x 3 (my shoulder still hurts...)
Deads 195 X 3 X 3
Once I got to 225 lbs with a pile of five and ten pound plates, I reloaded the bar with four 45 lb plates and did it again. It's just psychological, of course, but there's a sense of achievement in seeing the two big wheels on each end of the bar.
Then I tried adding a stinking 5 lbs to it and missed the lift!
I was in a power rack, so no harm done. I just set the bar down on the pins and climbed out. I unloaded the bar, repositioned it in the rack, loaded it up again and nailed it on the second try. Ooorah!
(Lol @ Oct. 26 2007,19:17)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">That's awesome TunnelRat. All your blood, sweat and hard work has paid off. It's such a great feeling getting a new record in the deadlift, probably more so than any other lift. Hope you have a good way to celebrate: a big tub of icecream sounds good to me.
Thanky kindly, sir! At your word I did indeed indulge in a large bowl of ice cream (fat-free, alas...). It really hit the spot -- no wonder you're an expert!
Monday, October 29
Squat 95 X 3, 135 X 3, 155 X 3, 175 X 1, 185 X 1, 205 X 1, 225 X 1 X 2 PB, 230 ... missed! 230 X 1 PB.
Bench 85 x 4 x 2, 90 x 4 x 3 (my shoulder still hurts...)
Deads 195 X 3 X 3
Once I got to 225 lbs with a pile of five and ten pound plates, I reloaded the bar with four 45 lb plates and did it again. It's just psychological, of course, but there's a sense of achievement in seeing the two big wheels on each end of the bar.
Then I tried adding a stinking 5 lbs to it and missed the lift!
I was in a power rack, so no harm done. I just set the bar down on the pins and climbed out. I unloaded the bar, repositioned it in the rack, loaded it up again and nailed it on the second try. Ooorah!
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great to see your success tunnelrat, many congrats to you.