Strength standards

My all time best lifts at a bodyweight of ~167 (using 165 as the category as its the closet) in PL competition-passing form:

Bench - between advanced and elite
Squat - advanced
deadlift - between advanced and elite
clean - never really performed them
press - between advanced and elite
 
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(liegelord @ Oct. 07 2006,23:19)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Before my last SD I rowed 250 3x5 and should beat that a week from Monday. You're probably right about the big benchers having problems with their shoulders.

I know a guy who benches 315 for sets and can't row within a 100 pounds of his bench. I think most guys bench more than they row because they train the bench more. I know leverage plays a part, but I've also noticed most guys dip more than they bench.

And despite my OH press being dreadful, I can press more than guys who can outbench me by 50+ pounds. Too much focus on benchs and curls.</div>
Re:&quot; the big benchers having problems with shoulder&quot;, my should prob's came from my younger days of behind the neck pulls &amp; press's. I always had good form on bench &amp; warmed up properly &amp; took off time when needed.

In regard to guys that bench a lot &amp; can't row...well, I'm a (the) poster child for that scenario. I do 350 on flat bench for 3 sets of 5 &amp; can't get anywhere near that in rows. I had always used row machines etc... to accomplish that motion, hence never excelled at it. OH press is good (3x 230x5) for me as most all pressing/pushing movements, its the pulling motions that have give me troubles.

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the body should always be stronger benching than rowing. you will just be in a greater mechanical position for benching.
 
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(Aaron_F @ Oct. 09 2006,03:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">the body should always be stronger benching than rowing.  you will just be in a greater mechanical position for benching.</div>
Also won't the pecs just always be a bigger, more well developed muscles than the upper-back muscles?

Assume of course that you tain them both the same, not going nuts on the back and neglecting the chest...
 
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(Aaron_F @ Oct. 09 2006,03:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">the body should always be stronger benching than rowing. you will just be in a greater mechanical position for benching.</div>
So what would you say is the issue then? Lack of training? Improper technique?
 
press advanced-elite
bench advanced-elite
squat intermediate
dead advanced-elite
clean no idea.

need to work on my squats
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(Totentanz @ Oct. 09 2006,08:29)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Aaron_F @ Oct. 09 2006,03:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">the body should always be stronger benching than rowing.  you will just be in a greater mechanical position for benching.</div>
So what would you say is the issue then?  Lack of training?  Improper technique?</div>
im sure you train hard and judging from your avy you have a strong back.i think it comes down to how regular and how much effort you put into an exercise,but genetic factors are important when it comes to strength on certain exercises.
 
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(Totentanz @ Oct. 10 2006,02:29)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Aaron_F @ Oct. 09 2006,03:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">the body should always be stronger benching than rowing. you will just be in a greater mechanical position for benching.</div>
So what would you say is the issue then? Lack of training? Improper technique?</div>
A bit from column A, a bit from Column B and maybe some of Column C
 
If I use the 1-rep calculator to predict my 1RMs from my 5RMs I end up with figures that are very close to advanced for all the lifts, barring cleans which I don't do yet.

I don't believe the 1-rep calculator one little bit.
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Do any of you have actual 1-rep max figures that you can compare to the predicted values? I'm pretty certain that my true 1RMs are not that much more than my 5RMs as I never train for max lifts. A 400lb deadlift for 5 reps, for example, equates with a 450lb 1RM according to the calculator. I'm almost certain I couldn't even lift that off the floor an inch! Perhaps I should give it a go?
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OneRepMax
 
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i have used the calculator and as ive tested my 1 rep maxs before i can say that the deadlift you mentioned seems to fit.

i did 4 reps @ 440lbs  and managed 1 rep @485 so the calc shouldnt be too far off.
 
Icars: interesting. I might give 450 a go at the end of my cycle.
 
I am advanced for bench 0r just shy of it --- But since I don't do real squats (do to lowerback issues) I do hacy squats.

Does any one know the ratio of hacky squat wieghts to real free squat weights??)

for expample --> 450lbs hacky squate = 350 real squats?
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Oh and by the way impressive results posted by you guys.

Bob
 
I use a different calculator, but its close to the one listed above. I think they are more accurate in the lower rep ranges, 5rm to get 1rm , not a 12-15 rm to get a 1rm.
I have been doing 350x5 on the bench &amp; have been wanting to see my 1rm. Recently the calculator gave me an estimated 1rm of 390. So I tried 390 and got it without too much trouble, so perhaps I could have done 5-10 lbs more...I may try again next week?
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What I liked about the estimate is it made me feel like I &quot;should&quot; get it, so it didn't really in my mind feel like it was a number pulled out of the air.
 
Mr O, 390 is heeooge! I take my hat off to you Sir. 400 is what I'm deadlifting and it feels  $#@%*&amp; heavy!
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How much did the two calculators differ by?
 
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Well they are closer than I thought, .2 lbs difference.
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Here is the one I use CALC
I didn't know about the ExRx until a few days ago.
I wish I had a good dead lift, but never got to it in my younger years. I don't know at 45 yr if I should even try to build that lift, don't want to chance hurting my back
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Wow, according to omega's calc, my 1RM for full ROM squats is 466. It's actually about 405-410. The deadlift seems close though.
 
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(Lol @ Oct. 10 2006,06:33)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If I use the 1-rep calculator to predict my 1RMs from my 5RMs I end up with figures that are very close to advanced for all the lifts, barring cleans which I don't do yet.</div>
In every calculator and chart I've used, the estimates for 1 rm are always around 2-3%more than what I can do for every exercise except the deadlift.
 
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(Lol @ Oct. 10 2006,11:33)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">A 400lb deadlift for 5 reps, for example, equates with a 450lb 1RM according to the calculator. I'm almost certain I couldn't even lift that off the floor an inch! Perhaps I should give it a go?  
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Assuming that you put the bar down between reps would it be unfair to use the calculator for deads? For example with a bench you unrack it, do 5 reps and then re-rack it. But with the deads you're essentially re-rack the bar between reps so the diference between your 1 rm and 5rm will be less...especially if you rest in between each rep like me!

Cheers

Rob
 
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