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(AShortt @ Jul. 31 2006,06:41)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Totentanz @ Jul. 30 2006,21:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Nice way to dance around the issue. I was going to cite my source for the calorie amount I posted, but there isn't any point debating this with you. You've already made up your mind, which is probably why you reported such poor gains your whole life, with the exception of what J-Reps gave you. Maybe if you opened your mind a bit, you'd keep making gains all the time like the rest of us on this site do.</div>
Whoa big feller, how condescending. First off I have eaten more in the past to see if will help gains...it didn’t. Furthermore I didn’t make poor gains my whole life except for JReps. I am slight of build so the gains I made from the get go were reasonable. I started at 125-130 lbs in my early twenties and worked up to the mid 150’s – about 25 lbs in muscle growth – a major portion of my starting weight when already full grown and in shape.
I am pleased as punch with Zone Training because most advanced guys like me (I’m 38) don’t add much muscle no matter what we do. The ratio of how much the 25 lbs of muscle I gained is, is what most consider a genetic limit. Now to gain 12 more lbs in only 8 months is simply great! That is almost half of what I had gained in the past while pigging out or not. Site whatever studies you want I have read them all and this point of view a decade ago. Look at Johnston’s 200 lb pics on the same site. He also built this physique without eating much in the way of extra calories (like 500 per day). Of course he started out with a bigger build than I but you get the point.
No skirting the issue here, the notion of so many extra calories being the only way to build lean tissue is outmoded. Bulk all you want you will just have fat to shed off later.
How do you determine your RMR and BMR anyway? I use a Bio Analogics machine, which is both highly accurate and very consistent. It determines exact body comp in lean mass, water weight and fat weight. It is based on anthropometrical measurements, ‘full' body (hand to foot) impedance, weight, sex, age etc. Perhaps you just think your RMR, BMR are lower than they actually are.
Regards,
Andrew</div>
I bet you can't beat 6" wrists and 8.5" ankles!
I think it's a pretty silly proposition to suggest that jacking up calories isn't immensely useful towards building muscle mass.
Just out of curiosity, when you did previously markedly increase calories, did you notice any difference to your strength?
Every time I've done this, my strength has shot up rapidly. This would imply the potential for more muscle mass on one of two levels, I think.
1) Increased calories --> increase muscle CSA --> increase force output/strength
or
2) Cool hormonal crap as a result of markedly overfeeding --> increased neural magic --> higher training loads --> more muscle
Though IIRC IART focuses on 'unfamiliar stress' as a stimulus for hypertrophy, and fails to identify (or at least emphasize) the primary stimulus behind resistance-induced muscle hypertrophy (progressive tension overload). So you might not think moving heavier stuff over time (in the context of adequate kcals/protein) is going to help you grow bigger in the first place.
(AShortt @ Jul. 31 2006,06:41)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Totentanz @ Jul. 30 2006,21:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Nice way to dance around the issue. I was going to cite my source for the calorie amount I posted, but there isn't any point debating this with you. You've already made up your mind, which is probably why you reported such poor gains your whole life, with the exception of what J-Reps gave you. Maybe if you opened your mind a bit, you'd keep making gains all the time like the rest of us on this site do.</div>
Whoa big feller, how condescending. First off I have eaten more in the past to see if will help gains...it didn’t. Furthermore I didn’t make poor gains my whole life except for JReps. I am slight of build so the gains I made from the get go were reasonable. I started at 125-130 lbs in my early twenties and worked up to the mid 150’s – about 25 lbs in muscle growth – a major portion of my starting weight when already full grown and in shape.
I am pleased as punch with Zone Training because most advanced guys like me (I’m 38) don’t add much muscle no matter what we do. The ratio of how much the 25 lbs of muscle I gained is, is what most consider a genetic limit. Now to gain 12 more lbs in only 8 months is simply great! That is almost half of what I had gained in the past while pigging out or not. Site whatever studies you want I have read them all and this point of view a decade ago. Look at Johnston’s 200 lb pics on the same site. He also built this physique without eating much in the way of extra calories (like 500 per day). Of course he started out with a bigger build than I but you get the point.
No skirting the issue here, the notion of so many extra calories being the only way to build lean tissue is outmoded. Bulk all you want you will just have fat to shed off later.
How do you determine your RMR and BMR anyway? I use a Bio Analogics machine, which is both highly accurate and very consistent. It determines exact body comp in lean mass, water weight and fat weight. It is based on anthropometrical measurements, ‘full' body (hand to foot) impedance, weight, sex, age etc. Perhaps you just think your RMR, BMR are lower than they actually are.
Regards,
Andrew</div>
I bet you can't beat 6" wrists and 8.5" ankles!
I think it's a pretty silly proposition to suggest that jacking up calories isn't immensely useful towards building muscle mass.
Just out of curiosity, when you did previously markedly increase calories, did you notice any difference to your strength?
Every time I've done this, my strength has shot up rapidly. This would imply the potential for more muscle mass on one of two levels, I think.
1) Increased calories --> increase muscle CSA --> increase force output/strength
or
2) Cool hormonal crap as a result of markedly overfeeding --> increased neural magic --> higher training loads --> more muscle
Though IIRC IART focuses on 'unfamiliar stress' as a stimulus for hypertrophy, and fails to identify (or at least emphasize) the primary stimulus behind resistance-induced muscle hypertrophy (progressive tension overload). So you might not think moving heavier stuff over time (in the context of adequate kcals/protein) is going to help you grow bigger in the first place.
