Inclined bench press vs regular b press

Discussion in 'Basic Training Principles and Methods' started by Louno, Jan 7, 2005.

  1. Louno

    Louno New Member

    i always thought that flat bench press was the best of the 3 types of bpress because it works your pectorals overall, but, are there any benefits of doing inclined bench presses, i know it puts more emphasis on ure upper pec...
    maybe it makes ure pects show more ? i dunno... im trying to think of something...
    since i started lifting 8 months ago i only did flat bench, i tried the inclined and they are way harder...
    anyways... thoughts on this ?
    thanks !
     
  2. vicious

    vicious New Member

    Flat and incline works the upper pecs about the same. Incline doesn't recruit the lower pec all that much and it works the delts a lot more. Thus, depending on angle, you can't quite use as much weight for incline as you would for flat. Dips are superior to both for pec development.

    Frankly, I think the flat bench sucks. It'll eventually eat up your rotator cuff and it does a poor job at working the pecs. If you plan on sticking with flat benches, look at rotator cuff exercises now to protect the area.

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  3. Tom Treutlein

    Tom Treutlein New Member

    What're you saying Jules, don't bother with rotator cuff exercises if you're not doing flat bench? [​IMG] I sure hope not, 'cause prehab exercises like that should always be incorporated, to strengthen any potential weak links before they become an issue.
     
  4. vicious

    vicious New Member

    What I'm saying is that with the flat bench, it's really inevitable that your rotator cuff will get torn even if you practiced flawless technique. Simply using a parallel-grip does wonders for not straining that area. I also perform underhand grips for my pulling movements.

    I do rotator cuff exercises sometimes, but IMO a lot of the problems with BBers is their insistence on using movements out of tradition while blissfully structural problems with said movements.

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  5. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    Poor babies

    lots of benching for 15 years, bugger all RC or even adequate back work with no problems

    :)

    RC problems are very genetically oriented
     
  6. vicious

    vicious New Member

    Well, you are the next evolution of man Aaron. Natural selection said ####-all to the RC and concluded it must build a bigger, faster, stronger rotator cuff. Thus -- you. ;)

    cue Six Million Dollar Man ch-ch-ch-ch!!

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  7. BoSox

    BoSox New Member

    if bench stimulates more of the pec than incline, how is incline superior? and is there any less risk of shoulder injuries from incline?
     
  8. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

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  9. vicious

    vicious New Member

    Optical illusion, really. When you overdevelop the lower pecs (the major pec muscle), you get droopy manboobs. The incline isn't superior, but it can give you the illusion of support by bringing the very small and minor upper pecs into bolder relief.

    That's the conventional wisdom. However, I believe your grip has more influence on this. Honestly, most rotator cuff injuries, while sudden, do come from ignoring warning signs leading up to it. You'll be really tempted to press through the pain because your form and technique on the bench may be excellent.

    Dips are very safe too (and superior to the flat bench), unless you go too low with too much of your body forward.

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  10. BoSox

    BoSox New Member

    so won't doing too many dips give me droopy manboobs? I don't want droopy manboobs [​IMG]
     
  11. Pauly

    Pauly New Member

    IIRC the reason Bryan promotes the use of low incline press over flat is that the natural tendency when pressing is too arch the back (especially with heavy loads) to such an extent that it effectively becomes a low decline press, and is therefore pretty useless for the pec minor (which pushes the top of the pec major out, giving the impression of big upper pecs). A low incline (15-30 degrees) compensates for this and hite your whole chest musculature harder than a flat press does.

    And using DBs instead of a BB is a good way of reducing the likelihood of shoulder injuries.

    EDIT - throw in dips and youve got yourself an excellent chest routine.
     
  12. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    Conclusion:

    Stick with inclines, preferably dumbellfor a better stretch, and weighted dips. You'll look better and feel better. [​IMG]
     
  13. Tom Treutlein

    Tom Treutlein New Member

    I was just about to ask the same question as BoSox...again!
     
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  15. zoomz

    zoomz New Member

    someone recently told me dips were hardest on shoulders than all chest exercises; i had always done and actually enjoyed doing them but near the end using 100lbs i guess thinking about what he said decided to switch to Flat bench.
    funny i feel more sore on shoulders doing Bench. After my next SD will probably go back to dips. Vicious, i generally go as deep as possible with chin in, getting that stretch and push up but don't lock out. Am i asking for trouble at 162lbs using 100lbs add-on for 5's?
     
  16. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    ZZ your probably asking for trouble by dipping as low as you can go. The safest, although at the expense of a small amount of hypertrophic benefit, is to not dip below your upper arms being at a 90 degree with your forearms. I also don't let my body incline by more than about 10 degrees. Much more than that and you can risk ripping a pec, especially if you dip too low. If you can handle the 100 pounds at a weight of 162 in good form, go for it ZZ.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. vicious

    vicious New Member

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    Unfortunately it could. Personally, I don't think this is entirely avoidable for bodybuilders when a person's bodyfat gets high. Same with building abs while not lean. But, generally, you wouldn't want to do too much chest work once the pecs are at a satisfactory size. Probably emphasize incline angles from then on.

    Could be a problem if you lean too much forward. When you dip heavy, dip to a conservative position and steadily go a little lower each time.

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  18. FamilyGuy

    FamilyGuy New Member

    Jules, O&G,

    hopefully not too much off topic, but what are your thoughts regarding close grip flat presses (focusing on the tris) as it pertains to stressing the rotator cuff and creating a need for a manzeer? What kind of grip spacing should one use to maximize the effects on the tris?
     
  19. vicious

    vicious New Member

    Going parallel grip really is the best way to save your rotator cuff. Close grip is safer than wide grip. At extremely high loads, I'm not sure how much difference it will make in the long run.

    Really, the best way to work on tris or pecs is by using a separate isolation exercise. Much safer too.

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  20. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    dips is the one thing that my joints dislike

    but then I was doing BW of 106 + 80kg for 5+reps...
     

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