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I have to agree with Chthonian. Everyone seems to get way too caught up in "fast protein" and "slow proteins". I think this aspect of nutrition is highly overrated. I think sometimes when you worry about such minute details you can tend to loose focus on what really matters...

Whey protein is a pure, natural, high quality protein from cow's milk. Casein is the principal protein of cow's milk. It is actually the curd that forms when milk is left to sour. Seems we owe the protein to the cows....even the steaks huh. Joe G

I was thinking... Whey protein is protein found in milk. So why is whey protein absorbed fast and milk absorbed slow apparently? Joe G

I would try creatine again, maybe some fish oil. If you think you need something, even the "power of expectation" from the supplements might help you out if you think they are doing something. Yea most people might consider that a waste of money. Joe G

Try using the 3s. You must be bored of the 5s by now anyway right. For those 4 weeks you could try a single factor routine, or 5x5 dual factor to pick up some more strength. Just a thought, Joe G

Mainly the food I eat during the day is meant for energy so that I can survive. However I do prefer that my food tastes good. Joe G

Im surprised you guys have never heard of guys putting milk in protein shakes... a lot of the tubs even have a column "calories with low fat milk" on the side by the other nutritional information. The reason I have used milk is because I think it tastes better and you get more protein...

Don't worry about it joeballs. I'm sure the muscle recruitement from heavy compound exercises and curls are much greater than waiting tables. I mean you don't have 20 inch arms already do you? HST also does not believe in overtraining muscles, therefore you arent really putting your progress at...

Have you guys ever heard of using juice not milk for pre-workout shakes because whey protein is fast acting and the milk will slow down absorbtion? If this is true what type of combination would be manageable? I mean chocolate protein powder and orange juice just sounds disgusting to me. Joe G

Ok thats the end of the steroid debate...I think its bizare that it even went that far to begin with. Aaron, You believe that the chart downplays how much LBM you can put on right? For the most part when reading these posts I would agree with you. Do you think that the chart could possibly...

Change your diet....basically lower the calories beneath your maintanence. If you werent to do HST during cutting what would you do? Joe G

I do them fully. I think I get a lot more out of it. Joe G

There is no way Ronnie Coleman and others would look the way they do if they trained for 100 years naturally (assuming he discoverd the fountain of youth). Not even close. Joe G

Colby No bench press or squats :confused: I dont think i could do a cycle without it just cause I love doing them.... Just curious, how tall are you? and maybe you should post the weights your using every once in a while to see your progress, that would make it more interesting. Joe G

More calories = more calories Which means more protein, fat, and carbs. And how is 12-13% a little high? I must have a warped view of bf because I know guys with 13% bf with ripped arms and good abs. Joe G

savagebeast, you might want to copy/paste that article in here so that not everyone that wants to read it has to register to the forum that you found it on. Unfortunately I am one of those lazy people that didn't feel like registering However, just because you should take in 1g of protein...

I dont see why you would want to do that. If you cut during the 15s and bulk during the 10s and 5s you will probably wind up right where you were at the begining of the cycle. If you plan on putting mass on there is no reason to cut during the 15s it would just be a waste of time. Joe G

If you can take your time getting muscular why do you want to take dianabol? If you really want to be safe dont take anything... Joe G

and wouldn't your wrist and ankle size change depending on how heavy you are at the time? I mean I know some really fat guys with huge wrists and ankles. That certainly doesnt mean they have great potential to put on LBM. Joe G

I read in the ebook... So the amount of carbs should be the proper ratio to the amount of protein your taking in... Joe G