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Congrats Panzer! 17's my next goal. I finally taped 16 cold and hanging last week.

Great topic. :) Best: Calves. They are long, full and over 17 inches and grow with no direct work at all. All I do is squat and deadlift and they grow. Upper back is also pretty good. Worst: Biceps. Not much of a peak.

Yeah, Coleman takes steroids, but doubling 800 in the deadlift has to take serious commitment and hard work. Steroids or not, the man works hard and doesn't train like a girl.

In my experience this past cycle not stopping at 10, I've had better strength gains.  I didn't do it with every exercise though.  My last cycle I maxed my deadlift at 405x6.  I have a few weeks left of my current cycle and hit 405x10. I gained 7 pounds on the last cycle and I should get about 10...

Congrats Hog. Your results are similar to mine. In 2 cycles I went from 174 to 202.

Stick with HST, do the compounds, eat enough and you'll be pleasantly surprised by how much stronger you'll be in a year. Hit that deadlift HARD.

can you do chins?

I would bet the farm a 405x10 lbs deadlift will stimulate more hypertrophy than a 600x10 lbs leg press.  Yes, the leg press will stimulate hypertrophy in the legs, but nothing for the upper back, shoulders and arms. I agree with Rakki, the deadlift is King. I have done very slow deadlifts...

That looks pretty good, though i would not squat and deadlift in the same workout. I would substitute the deadlift for the leg press in the PM workout. If you can, use different exercises though in the PM. For example, in the AM I do incline bench and rows and the PM i do dips and chins.

That's one I hate to see.  There is a guy at my gym who did a cycle or 2 of AS and his chest and arms are huge and yet he lifts like a girl.  DB bench presses with 65's for goodness sake. There is something wrong when I am busting my hump with 400 lbs deadlifts and someone lifting 65's has...

I am on my second 2x day MWF cycle and I had to drop the exercises down to only 5 per W/O to be able to continue lifting heavier.  If I have the energy left I will do one set of incline DB curls and an overhead DB triceps extension. You are doing 8 exercises, that'll be pretty tough once you are...

Yes I'm natural.  I would suggest he may have eaten too much and should watch his diet better.

At my gym guys are taking more shots at me.  I was getting ready to do dips 75x10 the other day and this kid, in his most sarcastic voice says, "That's one of the best ways to hurt yourself."  I couldn't help answering, "Yeah, that's why I keep it light." :D There is too...

I was so tired of being skinny while squatting and deadlifting 400 lbs that I just don't care if I put some fat on. I started HST in Nov. 04 at 174 at 5'11 and now weigh 215; a gain of 41 pounds. Yes, some is fat, probably a good eight pounds. If you want to get bigger, then train according to...

I have made strength gains doing HST, but not to the extent I would have if doing HIT. Most people here report at least moderate strength gains. Were you eating enough? Getting enough rest? If I were you I would do a few more months of only strength training. Then SD and do the basic HST...

I am doing MWF 2x a day, but each is a full body routine, not a split. I like it because the volume is lower and I'm not wiped out and fatigued. I have also made good strength gains.

Coffeeguy: Are you alternating exercises? I noticed you're doing squats, SLDL and deadlifts. You're not doing them in the same workout are you?

In my experience, I'm 5'11, 10 lbs is about 3/4 of an inch to my arms.

"There is a clear cut difference. You cannot attribute modern bb'ers much larger size to 'modern training techniques' or better diets. It is obviously the drugs." Yes there are obvious differences, however, you neglect other factors such as the esthetics of the day, the fact most were...

There are many factors to consider when comparing a guy on steroids to one who isn't and because of those uncontrollable factors, it is difficult at best to be able to determine whether the one on steroids has gone beyond his genetic limits as a natural lifter. Again, I am not an expert...