Substituting Weights For Tempo

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Alek

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I'm having problems. HST is increasing my strength way too quick. So what's the problem? I had 2 bone breakings and surgeries etc this year... So my wrist is WAAAAAAY behind my muscles.

While-as HST has for example gotten me to a point where I can do (for example) a 40lb dumb-bell for reps, my arm can only hold a 15lb dumb-bell safely. And its gonna take a looooong while for my wrist to catch up.

So... After experimenting, I found I could exercise with much lower weights by doubling the tempo (I mean going twice as slow on the negative). I can exercise safely and have no joint problems. All is fine.

Is this a good idea/substitute? I mean in terms of hypertrophy. Am I losing on the hypertrophy effect by lowering the cadence too much?
 
Have you tried strapping those wrists? If it does hnot work I am with Faz, more reps is better then but yeah use the slow tempo too, that should get you a bit better off!
 
Well...

Increasing the reps would mean something like 30-40 reps... That's a bit too much, no?

So I'd do HST with like week of 40s, week of 20s and week of 10s.  
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Are you sure that is a better idea?

Btw, the tempo is something like 1missipi,2missipi,3missipi,4missipi in lowering (negative).


p.s.

I tried wrist-straps, in my case they actually worsen the problem, not improve it. I'm guessing those are designed to prevent an injury, not to work through it.
 
if your using the same weight for the 40s,20s,10s,as you are for the missisipi reps its just a case of TUT anyway,i would rather do the reps than count them
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So it all comes down to TUT?

If so yeah, I agree, its much easier to count to 40, than count 10 reps, while counting the length of each movement too, in fact its giving me a headache lol.

Any more info on TUT? I just wanna confirm that its all the same.

So...

40 reps of 10pounds at 2 second cadence

has the same effect on hypertrophy as

20 reps of 10 pounds at 4 second cadence

?
 
Alek

I have a similar problem with the palm of my hand. Too many pushing exercises will make my "thumb area" hurt after a while.

Too adjust, I've change my exercise selection to avoid thumb pressure. For example, instead of doing:

Barbell bench press, do Dumbbell bench press (Pec-dec would be fantastic!)
Shoulder press, do Upright rows or lateral raises
Chair dips, do Tricep exercise that uses lower palm instead of thumb

Also, I believe that doing the higher reps ALONG with the slowed tempo will work great. The slow tempo should be done feeling the strain on the muscle on both concentric and eccentric parts of the exercise. I can make 10 reps with a lighter weight feel better and work my muscles more than 20 reps with a heavier weight - doing the techniques as I outlined.

Personally, I experience my best growth during the 15's weeks. During those weeks I'll slow the tempo enough to feel the exercise in the muscle. I too, experience pains when getting into the heavier loads.

You can also pre-exhaust the main muscle group. For example, do the flyes before doing the dumbell bench press. Etc. This will allow you to use less weight on the main exercise.

So, to summarize:

1. Definitely do SD for a sufficient period. Probably the entire 14 days or longer if necessary. More often as well.

2. Pre-exhaust before doing the main exercises

3. Select exercises that will put the least strain on your wrist.

Just my two centavos. Good luck!
 
Hypertrophy is attained by progressively increasing LOAD on the muscle. The TUT (be it duration of a rep or number of reps) serves as a limiter: not enough TUT - not enough stimuli for muscle growth. That doesn't mean that more TUT = more hypertrophy. There is sweet spot for TUT and from there on, additional TUT doesn't increase hypertrophy much or at all and increases your chance of overtraining (which leads to atrophy).
Try to identify the source of the pain. SD for a while and start to slowly increase weight (do not raise the weight too fast). See what lifts bother your first. As MasterCFI suggested test different lifts for that muscle group, different ROMs and grips. If that doesn't help, SD again and start all over with the light weights again.
Remember to have your fish/flax oil, approx. 3g / day and to eat enough.
 
If your goal is hypertrophy, I personally would go with a slower eccentric tempo instead of more reps. Still keep a rather explosive concentric tempo though. I have used lighter weights with eccentric tempos as slow as 8 seconds (with full stretch) with great results. I personally have not seen much benefit size-wise for reps over 15 to 20 and even those are not ideal. However, it really comes down to the gentic make-up of your specific muscles as to which will work best for YOU. Try them both.
 
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(electric @ Feb. 11 2009,9:45)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Hypertrophy is attained by progressively increasing LOAD on the muscle. The TUT (be it duration of a rep or number of reps) serves as a limiter: not enough TUT - not enough stimuli for muscle growth. That doesn't mean that more TUT = more hypertrophy. There is sweet spot for TUT and from there on, additional TUT doesn't increase hypertrophy much or at all and increases your chance of overtraining (which leads to atrophy).
Try to identify the source of the pain. SD for a while and start to slowly increase weight (do not raise the weight too fast). See what lifts bother your first. As MasterCFI suggested test different lifts for that muscle group, different ROMs and grips. If that doesn't help, SD again and start all over with the light weights again.
Remember to have your fish/flax oil, approx. 3g / day and to eat enough.</div>
All lifts bother me
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I was under cast for 6 months, and then took 6 months to regain basic function. So, I have exercises i absolutely under no condition can do, and lifts I can do with lighter weights. I have no safe exercises.

I've tried all exercises. There's only one type of grip I can exercise with, and others I can exercise not at all with.


We know what TUT does, we were more discussing which way of achieving the same TUT is better.

More reps or slower tempo.
 
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(MasterCFI @ Feb. 11 2009,8:34)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Alek

I have a similar problem with the palm of my hand. Too many pushing exercises will make my &quot;thumb area&quot; hurt after a while.

Too adjust, I've change my exercise selection to avoid thumb pressure. For example, instead of doing:

Barbell bench press, do Dumbbell bench press (Pec-dec would be fantastic!)
Shoulder press, do Upright rows or lateral raises
Chair dips, do Tricep exercise that uses lower palm instead of thumb

Also, I believe that doing the higher reps ALONG with the slowed tempo will work great. The slow tempo should be done feeling the strain on the muscle on both concentric and eccentric parts of the exercise. I can make 10 reps with a lighter weight feel better and work my muscles more than 20 reps with a heavier weight - doing the techniques as I outlined.

Personally, I experience my best growth during the 15's weeks. During those weeks I'll slow the tempo enough to feel the exercise in the muscle. I too, experience pains when getting into the heavier loads.

You can also pre-exhaust the main muscle group. For example, do the flyes before doing the dumbell bench press. Etc. This will allow you to use less weight on the main exercise.

So, to summarize:

1. Definitely do SD for a sufficient period. Probably the entire 14 days or longer if necessary. More often as well.

2. Pre-exhaust before doing the main exercises

3. Select exercises that will put the least strain on your wrist.

Just my two centavos. Good luck!</div>
Great pointers. Especially the SD part. I was thinking the same. It makes sense.

Bench - can't even lift an empty barbell. Peck deck and flyes I can do but with 60% of my real strength. I.e. I can do with my right hand 60% of what I can with my left hand.

Isn't pre-exhaust incompatible with HST? I want to keep the program still HST.
 
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(Old and Grey @ Feb. 11 2009,4:05)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If your goal is hypertrophy, I personally would go with a slower eccentric tempo instead of more reps. Still keep a rather explosive concentric tempo though. I have used lighter weights with eccentric tempos as slow as 8 seconds (with full stretch) with great results. I personally have not seen much benefit size-wise for reps over 15 to 20 and even those are not ideal. However, it really comes down to the gentic make-up of your specific muscles as to which will work best for YOU. Try them both.</div>
Why are all your posts in orange? Lol.

Thanks for the add-in. I am happy to hear someone did have good results with decreased tempo as well. (this was on HST?)

I guess I'll just let experience answer the question. Cycles are short anyway (8 weeks when including the SD), so I'll do one cycle of each alternative (highrep and high cadence) and see which works best.
 
Alek, I'm a bit late to the party but having read your initial post I thought I'd add my 2¢:

My understanding is that your pre-injury training got you to the point where you were using 40lb dbs for curls but now, post-injury, you are having to use 15lb dbs, right? If I have understood correctly, it's highly unlikely that you need to worry about HST (or any other non-retarded training method) at this point in time. The most important thing is that you focus on bone strength rehab. Skeletal loading is key to bone strengthening but you need to listen to your doc and decide what you can safely do.

As far as curls are concerned, faster reps will obviously put more stress on your bones than slower controlled reps but, as far as mechanical strain on your muscle tissue is concerned, it is very unlikely that you will be able to do anything much to stimulate hypertrophy right now.

Although it can't substitute for progressive loading, your best bet would probably be to focus on trying to increase metabolic stress through occlusion (stimulating the MAPKerk1/2 pathway). From memory, I think in order to simulate occlusion effects for curls, you would need to do slower concentrics (~3 secs) followed by faster eccentrics ie. you are limiting the amount of time that the muscle is not actively contracting. Going to failure (or close to it) each set would keep the metabolic/hypoxic stress high for as long as possible each set.

Putting curls aside, if you have access to any machines that allow you to train your upper body without the need to grip a bar, they would allow for progressive loading, keeping your training effective without putting undue stress on your wrists. If you can find a gym with some of the older Nautilus machines you'll be in luck.

Just a thought: why not use this post-injury time to focus on your lower body (assuming that's ok)? Deads will be a no-go until your wrists are strong again so you could really work on your back squats and leg presses. Work on your form and keep pushing those loads up. It's surprising how many muscles get thoroughly worked during a set of heavy back squats.
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OK, that's enough of my blathering. All the best with your training but do take care to let your broken bones heal properly. There's no sense in rushing things and re-injuring yourself.
 
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(Lol @ Feb. 11 2009,8:09)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"></div>
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If I have understood correctly, it's highly unlikely that you need to worry about HST (or any other non-retarded training method) at this point in time. The most important thing is that you focus on bone strength rehab. Skeletal loading is key to bone strengthening but you need to listen to your doc and decide what you can safely do.</div>

Yeah, I used to think the same, but apparently when you break a bone, the largest recovery time is in the soft-tissue. Not the actual bone. Bone heals up in like 2 months (as if new) but the other stuff takes like 1-2 years.

The bone is as if it had never been broken (this was a LOOOOOONG TIME Ago btw, lol), bone healed up like 6 months ago. So bone is fine.

Its the soft-tissue and (I don't know the fancy medical terms stuff) around the bone that is the real bitch and limits you after a surgery.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Although it can't substitute for progressive loading, your best bet would probably be to focus on trying to increase metabolic stress through occlusion (stimulating the MAPKerk1/2 pathway). From memory, I think in order to simulate occlusion effects for curls, you would need to do slower concentrics (~3 secs) followed by faster eccentrics ie. you are limiting the amount of time that the muscle is not actively contracting. Going to failure (or close to it) each set would keep the metabolic/hypoxic stress high for as long as possible each set.</div>

Oh, I guess because its kinda late at night here, but I got confused by the above. Can you dumb it down for me a bit lol.

You mean slow down both positives and negatives? Like 3 seconds to lift and 3 seconds to lower? Apologies if I completely missunderstood, but I'm kind of a dazy mood these days, so you'll have to dumb it down for me a bit, lol
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<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Just a thought: why not use this post-injury time to focus on your lower body (assuming that's ok)? Deads will be a no-go until your wrists are strong again so you could really work on your back squats and leg presses. Work on your form and keep pushing those loads up. It's surprising how many muscles get thoroughly worked during a set of heavy back squats.
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Ok, this is going to sound REALLY weird, and its that whole &quot;the grass is greener on the other side. But I HATE my lower body!

Why? Coz it grows too fast/too easy. Since I've been into training my lower body has been growing at 3 times the rate that my upper-body has, no matter what the training. My legs are already 2 inches above my ideal size. I trained them once this month, and they instantly grew 2 inches (no bull).

I know that there is only so much muscle the body can support, and the more I carry in the lower body, the less that can be built in the upper.

HST has really been the only thing that's given me some amazing upper-body results.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Putting curls aside, if you have access to any machines that allow you to train your upper body without the need to grip a bar, they would allow for progressive loading, keeping your training effective without putting undue stress on your wrists. If you can find a gym with some of the older Nautilus machines you'll be in luck.</div>

No nautilus machines, but fortunately those ropes for the bicep and tricep curls do WONDERS
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I can load those as much as I want. I think those were actually created for injury recovery? Anyway, LOVE EM.

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My understanding is that your pre-injury training got you to the point where you were using 40lb dbs for curls but now, post-injury, you are having to use 15lb dbs, right? </div>

No I was giving a random example, not exact poundages. I actually can perform HIGHER poundages than before the injury. The trouble is. My wrist is in pain the whole set and hurts for 2 days aftewards.

So, before injury, 15 reps with 40lb dumb-bells
Right now, 15 reps with 50lb dumb-bells but aching screaming pain all throughout the set, and hurts for 2 days

This is within the last 2-3 days of the 15s, the last 2-3 days of the 10s etc... So my strength in my muscles is growing a lot faster than what my forearms/ligaments/tendons (or whatever it is that's screwed) up is not able to catch up.

Thanks for the reply too!
 
have a read of this i highlighted a bit that might interest you.
The influence of frequency, intensity, volume and mode on muscle hypertrophy

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from lyle macdonalds forum

Sports Med. 2007;37(3):225-64.
The influence of frequency, intensity, volume and mode of strength training on whole muscle cross-sectional area in humans.

I thought I'd summarize this comprehensive paper both for my own benefit and for those who want the highlights. I've restricted my summary to the parts of the paper that talk about your typical &quot;dynamic external resistance&quot; training. The gist of the paper is that while we do know what works for hypertrophy (pretty much everything, to an extent), we really don't know what's optimal, especially in trained individuals and in the long run. Dan also posted some excerpts on his forum: http://hypertrophy-research.com/phpB...opic.php?t=213

Results
No relationship could be found between frequency of training and the increase per day in muscle cross sectional area. When the intensity was plotted against the rate of increase, a weak tendency was found for the rate to increase with increasing intensity. The highest rates of increase tended to occur around 75% of 1RM. When volume was plotted against the rate of increase, greater gains in muscle mass were seen initially with increasing volume while there were diminishing returns as the volume increased further. The highest rates of increase tended to occur with 30-60 repetitions per session.

Discussion
Frequency: For hypertrophy, studies suggest that training two or three times per week is superior to training one time per week, even when volume is equal. However, there doesn't appear to be a benefit of three sessions per week over two. &quot;Although some interesting trends can be discerned from the data... there is clearly a need for further research on training frequency in both highly-trained and less-trained subjects.&quot;

Intensity: &quot;The studies reviewed in this article show that there is a remarkably wide range of intensities that may produce hypertrophy. Still, there seems to be some relationship between the load (or torque) and the rate of increase in CSA.&quot; This is not linear, but seemed to peak around 75%. &quot;Thus, the results of this review support the typical recommendations with intensity levels of 70–85% of maximum when training for muscle hypertrophy, but also show that marked hypertrophy is possible at both higher and lower loads.&quot;

Volume: &quot;Overall, moderate volumes (&amp;#8776;30–60 repetitions per session for DER training) appear to yield the largest responses.&quot; An exception to this is with very high loads (90% 1RM or 120% to 230% 1RM with eccentrics) where high rates of growth have been shown with volumes as low as 12-14 repetitions per session. To date, relatively few studies have directly compared the effects of different volumes of work on the hypertrophic response as measured by scanning methodology.&quot; The paucity of data clearly warrants further research.

Mode of Training and Type of Muscle Action: You often hear statements like &quot;eccentric training produces the greatest muscle hypertrophy&quot;. &quot;This review demonstrates that given sufficient frequency, intensity and duration of work, all three types of muscle actions can induce significant hypertrophy at impressive rates and that at present, there is insufficient evidence for the superiority of any mode and/or type of muscle action over other modes and types of training in this regard.&quot; In fact, the data suggest that pure eccentric training is inferior to both concentric and eccentric+concentric training, though this is still a subject of debate rather than a scientific certainty.

Rest Periods and the Role of Fatigue: &quot;Upon closer examination, it appears that when maximal or near-maximal efforts are used, it is advantageous to use long periods of rest. This is logical in light of the well known detrimental effects of fatigue on force production and electrical activity in the working muscle. If high levels of force and maximum recruitment of motor units are important factors in stimulating muscle hypertrophy, it makes sense to use generous rest periods between sets and repetitions of near-maximal to maximal efforts... On the other hand, when using submaximal resistance, the size principle dictates that motor unit recruitment and firing rates are probably far from maximal until the muscle is near fatigue or unless the repetitions are performed with the intention to execute the movement very quickly.&quot;

Interactions Between Frequency, Intensity, Volume and Mode: &quot;Based on the available evidence, we suggest that the time-tension integral is a more important parameter than the mechanical work output (force × distance)... Overall, we feel that the trends observed in this review are consistent with the model for training-overtraining continuum proposed by Fry,[186] where the optimal training volume and also the volume threshold for overtraining decreases with increasing intensity... Regarding training for hypertrophy in already highly-trained individuals, there is at present insufficient data to suggest any trends in the dose-response curves for the training variables.&quot;

Eccentrics: &quot;Taken together, the results of these studies support the common recommendation of using somewhat lower frequencies and volumes for high-force eccentric exercise than for conventional resistance training...&quot;

Order of endurance/strength training: &quot;It has been suggested that strength training should be performed first, in order not to compromise the quality of the strength-training session.[194] However, this order may not necessarily be the best choice for inducing increases in muscle mass. Deakin[195] investigated the impact of the order of exercise in combined strength and endurance training and reported that gene expression associated with muscle hypertrophy responded more strongly when cycling was performed before strength training, instead of vice versa. Interestingly, in the study of Sale et al.,[111] performing cycling first seemed to induce the greatest increase in muscle area. Still, because the lack of studies investigating the effects of the order of exercise in concurrent training on hypertrophy, no firm conclusions can be drawn on this issue.&quot;

Time Course of Muscle Hypertrophy: &quot;Until recently, the prevailing opinion has been that neural adaptations play the dominant role during the first 6–7 weeks of training, during which hypertrophy is usually minor.&quot; However, several investigations [13,27,54,87,105,118,128] have demonstrated significant hypertrophy at the whole muscle level after short periods of training (3–5 weeks). &quot;Thus, there now plenty of evidence that significant hypertrophy can take place early on given proper frequency, intensity and volume of training,&quot; even prior to changes in muscle CSA. &quot;As argued by Phillips,[198] the idea that early gains in strength are due exclusively to neural adaptations seems doubtful... In some strength-training studies, the increase in muscle volume is delayed, while in others, the rate of growth is rapid. We speculate that less-damaging training modes may allow the hypertrophy response to start earlier. Regimens that include eccentric muscle actions, especially those involving maximal effort, appear to require a careful initiation and progression of training to avoid muscle damage and muscle protein breakdown [excessive apoptosis and proteolysis].&quot;

The Stimulus for Muscle Hypertrophy in Strength Training: &quot;Two studies by Martineau and Gardiner[216,217] have provided insight into how different levels of force and different durations of tension may affect hypertrophic signaling in skeletal muscle... they remarked that both peak tension and time-tension integral must be included in the modeling of the mechanical stimulus response of skeletal muscle... Based on the data reviewed in this paper, we speculate that hypertrophic signalling in human skeletal muscle is very sensitive to the magnitude of tension developed in the muscle. Hence, for very short durations of work, the increase in muscle size will be greater for maximal-eccentric exercise than for maximal-concentric exercise of similar durations... The response is presumably also dependent on the total duration of work and increases initially with greater durations. Thus, both short durations of maximal eccentric exercise and somewhat longer durations of concentric, isometric and conventional dynamic resistance exercise can result in impressive increases in muscle volume. However, especially with maximal eccentric exercise, damage also seems to come into play as the duration of work increases even further and the acute and/or cumulative damage may eventually overpower the hypertrophic process.&quot;

Training Implications and Recommendations: For your typical &quot;dynamic external resistance&quot;, recommendations are given for &quot;Moderate load slow-speed training&quot;, &quot;Conventional hypertrophy training&quot;, and &quot;Eccentric (ecc) overload training&quot;. These three modes are denoted as suitable for beginners, novice-well trained, and advanced-elite, respectively. For the &quot;Conventional hypertrophy training&quot; for the novice to the well trained, they recommend an 8-10RM load (75-80% 1RM), with 8-10 reps to failure or near failure, 1-3 sets per exercise, progression from 1–2 to 3–6 sets total per muscle group, moderate velocity (1-2 seconds for each CON and ECC), 60-180 seconds rest between sets, and 2-3 sessions per muscle group per week.

Conclusions: &quot;This review demonstrates that several modes of training and all three types of muscle actions can induce hypertrophy at impressive rates and that, at present, there is insufficient evidence for the superiority of any mode and/or type of muscle action over other modes and types of training. That said, it appears that exercise with a maximal-eccentric component can induce increases in muscle mass with shorter durations of work than other modes. Some evidence suggests that the training frequency has a large impact on the rate of gain in muscle volume for shorter periods of training. Because longer studies using relatively high frequencies are lacking, it cannot be excluded that stagnation or even overtraining would occur in the long term. Regarding intensity, moderately heavy loads seem to elicit the greatest gains for most categories of training, although examples of very high rates were noted at both very low and very high intensities when the sets were performed with maximum effort or taken to muscular failure. Thus, achieving recruitment of the greatest number of muscle fibres possible and exposing them to the exercise stimulus may be as important as the training load per se. For the total volume or duration of activity, the results suggest a dose-response curve characterised by an increase in the rate of growth in the initial part of the curve, which is followed by the region of peak rate of increase, which in turn is followed by a plateau or even a decline. It is recognised that the conclusions drawn in this paper mainly concern relatively short-term training in previously untrained subjects and that in highly trained subjects or for training studies extending for several months, the dose-response trends and the hypertrophic effects of different modes and types of strength training may be very different. The same may well be true for other populations, such as elderly and injured individuals.&quot;
 
Alek: The bit that faz has highlighted in the previous post is the bit that's most relevant to your original question.

Yup, collagen replacement in damaged tendons and ligaments takes a whole lot longer than bone and muscle repair.

If you can perform a 'rope' exercise (not sure what that is?) that doesn't cause you pain and that allows for a load progression then just do that.

If you still want to try very sub-max db curls then, to simplify what I said before, just lift the weight in a few seconds, lower quickly (~1 sec), rinse and repeat until failure. You should aim for a crazy burn.

Re your lower body: you are a lucky dog. You may hate your lower body, but if your thighs are anywhere near 30&quot;, I hate you!
 
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(Lol @ Feb. 12 2009,4:51)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"></div>
Actually they're 28 inches
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, and that's with exercising them 4-5 times a year (MAX!!). Calves are 18 inches. (same training). If I trained them more they'd explode too fast.

Dude, ropes? Every gym has them:
http://www.shapefit.com/biceps-....nt.html


But rope machines are way limited in their weight-stack, so they don't allow me weight progression unfortunately. Only enough for the 15s. Besides, I prefer to train at HOME. And I've solved the biceps and triceps issue (mostly)


But anyway, biceps is not a problem. I'm more looking to solve how to exercise chest, back and the like by varying the tempo. Coz I don't have the time for the commute to the gym, and I'd prefer playing with reps/tempo etc...


<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">just lift the weight in a few seconds, lower quickly (~1 sec)</div>

Huh? We're back at square one... Wasn't this the original problem? This is Default training is it not? I'm looking for an alternative to the above. Achieving hypertrophy without the tempo you're giving above. With that tempo I can lift CRAZY weights.

I need an option where I get the same effect with much lesser weights...

Ok, I guess I'll just go ahead and do 2 cycles of each. Practice will show best what does what.

Thanks all.
 
Alek,

You said:
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">...but fortunately those ropes for the bicep and tricep curls do WONDERS  I can load those as much as I want</div>
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But rope machines are way limited in their weight-stack, so they don't allow me weight progression unfortunately.</div>
Hmm.

You said:
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">After experimenting, I found I could exercise with much lower weights by doubling the tempo (I mean going twice as slow on the negative).</div>
So do you mean doubling the tempo or do you mean halving the tempo?

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> <div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">just lift the weight in a few seconds, lower quickly (~1 sec)</div>
Huh? We're back at square one... Wasn't this the original problem? This is Default training is it not? I'm looking for an alternative to the above. Achieving hypertrophy without the tempo you're giving above. With that tempo I can lift CRAZY weights.</div>
What I am suggesting, is that you raise the weight more slowly than you lower it. ie. you focus on the concentric part and get the eccentric out the way as quickly as possible (the opposite of what you might expect). This is only because the loads are very sub max in the example you gave and it is a technique which will increase metabolic stress through a degree of occlusion in the muscle tissue. You have to push to failure though, particularly if the loads are light or you won't get full fibre recruitment or any real benefit.

It's really very simple: pick a load that doesn't cause you pain, do a bunch of reps until you fail while keeping the eccentric as short as possible. If it takes 20 reps per set, so what? As your ligaments heal you can increase the loading as you see fit. Isn't this is a little different to what you were doing?

This is just a way to, perhaps, get a little more mileage (as far as any hypertrophic effects are concerned) from a lighter load. It's certainly not as effective as progressive loading but bear in mind that there are also the possible good effects on injured ligaments from flushing the area with lactic acid.

All the best.
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> I trained them once this month, and they instantly grew 2 inches (no bull).</div>

Alec, I don't buy that! Nothing grows instant, except of course, one other part of the anatomy!
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From what I have read so far, you are way too worried about curls whereas I'd simply dump them if they are hurting me, for chest exercises, there are alternatives like Flyes and Peck deck although some called them peck wrecks, I would not do cable cross overs because the wrists work too much there!

Don't know what else to suggest, but you seem to know your way around! Just streamline what matters in terms of most productive exercises.
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. <div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> On the other hand, when using submaximal resistance, the size principle dictates that motor unit recruitment and firing rates are probably far from maximal until the muscle is near fatigue or unless the repetitions are performed with the intention to execute the movement very quickly.&quot;</div>
if you read this bit basicly they are saying if you have to use light weights do the full exercise&quot;ecentric and concentric&quot; fast,or work to faliure.
 
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